Hillary Clinton is somewhere, right now, crying

I'm not going to start off with a disclaimer about who I'm going to vote for or who I supported in the primary. Draw your own conclusions.

I'm also going to keep it short, because I want to get out of the house and enjoy this national holiday when we celebrate the beginning of the process that found the first democracy since the ancient Greeks.

During the primaries, I watched as people on both sides bashed the other side and the opposing candidates. There were some really egregious comments coming from all sides. The rage was fueled by trolls from the GOP side. Apparently, some people want to keep the anger at a fever pitch and are doing everything they can to disrupt the Democratic party.

Hillary Clinton was a great candidate. She fought a long, difficult primary campaign that came up just short. This was a historic event in American history. It will be studied and discussed for generations. She has inspired women throughout the world by her example.

Barack Obama also fought a long, drawn-out primary campaign. He had an excellent campaign team that drew up a winning strategy that carried him to a narrow win. His candidacy was also historic. For the first time in American history, someone other than a white male has a real chance to become president of this country.

Democrats should be feeling on top of the world. They have just completed an historic primary campaign and are poised to not only win back the White House, but also a larger majority in Congress. For the first time in almost eight years, people are beginning to believe that this country can turn away from the disastrous policies of the Bush administration and regain it's position as leader of the Free World.

Unfortunately, that doesn't seem to matter to many people. They would rather rehash the primary campaign than focus on winning in November. A few Obama people, or trolls posing as Obama supporters, continue to poke at wounds that are still raw. Clinton supporters, or those posing as Clinton supporters, continue to fight the now finished primary battle. Few people seem to actually care about what really matters - winning in November.

It seems to me that more people would rather whine than win.

Hillary must really be sad to see what a mess this party is in. The party she has spent her whole life trying to build. The party that nominated and elected her husband to two terms as president. The party that is on the right side of the issues that Hillary has proven she cares about. I wonder how much pain the bitterness on display on this and other sites is causing Hillary? Does she cry when she sees her supporters throwing away the Democrats chances in November? How could she not? It almost makes me sad enough to cry.

I am only one voice. I cannot bring this party together by myself. I cannot bandage all of the wounds or smooth all of the troubled brows from the primary battle. I can only do my small part to push forward Hillary's mission.

So all of you out there who are constantly trashing Obama and trying to bring him down, think about what you are doing to Hillary by these actions. Every time you work to drag down the Democratic candidate, you are spitting on Hillary Clinton. Every time you trash the Democratic party, you are saying that Hillary's entire political life was spent on the wrong cause. Every time you do something to anger another Democrat, no matter who they supported in the primary, you are working to help the people that, for the last sixteen years, have worked to bring down Bill and Hillary Clinton and to destroy them. Are you proud of yourselves?

The title of this diary makes a claim that I can't prove. I don't have photos of Hillary crying, but I imagine she will be in November if John McCain wins the presidency.

She will be crying along with countless others who will suffer because the Democrats were too divided to care about what really matters. She will be crying beside the mother who finds herself at the graveside of her young son or daughter who was killed in the middle-east. She will be crying beside the women who see their hopes and dreams crushed by a McCain presidency and the Supreme Court justices he appoints who hand down decisions that are harmful to women. She will be crying beside the mother with small children who finds herself unable to afford health care for her sick child. She will be crying on a daily basis during every day of a McCain presidency.

I feel your pain, Hillary.

2008 - Year of Decision



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Excellent point! (2.00 / 1)

It seems to me that more people would rather whine than win.

Try taking your own advice! We need a winner for a nominee, not Bush-lite.


by Xov Wonk on Fri Jul 04, 2008 at 03:25:12 PM EST

Re: Excellent point! (none / 0)

Thank you for helping me make my point.


"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." Samuel Johnson
by MS01 Indie on Fri Jul 04, 2008 at 03:25:56 PM EST
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Re: Excellent point! (2.00 / 4)

No, no! Thank you for helping make MINE -- for ALL progressive Democrats who are sick and tired of bait and switch politicans that campaign using one persona, then morph into a shape-shifting, unprincipled blob.


by Xov Wonk on Fri Jul 04, 2008 at 03:29:10 PM EST
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Re: Excellent point! (none / 0)

Yes, the PUMA folks are quite principled- they wouldn't, for example, take money from the other side:


John McCain wants to stay in Iraq.
by ihaveseenenough on Fri Jul 04, 2008 at 09:31:36 PM EST
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Re: Excellent point! (none / 0)

More bogus crap. Educate yourself about the internets.


by Xov Wonk on Fri Jul 04, 2008 at 10:27:49 PM EST
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Re: Excellent point! (none / 0)

Saying the picture is fake?


John McCain wants to stay in Iraq.
by ihaveseenenough on Sat Jul 05, 2008 at 12:23:37 AM EST
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Moronic (1.00 / 1)

Right now, MyDD has a banner paid for by conservative B.S. purveyors NewsMax with a pic of Obama saying "Is Obama Finished?"


by Xov Wonk on Sat Jul 05, 2008 at 12:59:29 AM EST
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Re: Moronic (none / 0)

And right now, the so-called PUMA movement is being co-opted by John McCain, as it has been from the start. And you can most certainly tell Google or whomever what you don't want advertised on your site.  If you're principled, that is.  I don't see any McCain ads here.


John McCain wants to stay in Iraq.
by ihaveseenenough on Sat Jul 05, 2008 at 11:11:58 AM EST
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Re: Excellent point! (none / 0)

So you are basically saying and it seems to be the theme in many of your dairies, that we must all fly together like birds from one feather.


He was warmly received by House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, who called him "a leader that God has blessed us with at this time."
by roxfoxy on Sat Jul 05, 2008 at 04:20:06 PM EST
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Re: Excellent point! (none / 0)

You can get that out of my diaries only by focusing on some comments and ignoring others. This is what I have been saying all along.

The more this happens, the more I realize that our side really is a 'big tent'. There are so many different groups and individualists on the Democratic side that disagreement among them is almost guaranteed.

We are foolish to think that a party that has a left-leaning libertarian, like Dennis Kucinich, and centrists, like Hillary Clinton or Bill Richardson, will agree on every issue.

and this next quote pretty much sums it all up.

The 42nd POTUS said it best. "Keep your eyes on the prize and don't turn back." - Bill Clinton.


"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." Samuel Johnson
by MS01 Indie on Sat Jul 05, 2008 at 05:08:19 PM EST
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Re: Excellent point! (none / 0)

I'm still trying to 'get' your diaries. It seems more of an exercise in personal philosophy over something that actually brings good debate.

Like when you make statements on the PUMA issue. I'll paraphrase it but it came across as  "look people who gather together can be a force" or your statement above "The more this happens, the more I realize that our side really is a 'big tent'. "

No really?


He was warmly received by House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, who called him "a leader that God has blessed us with at this time."
by roxfoxy on Sat Jul 05, 2008 at 06:50:11 PM EST
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Re: Excellent point! (none / 0)

I'm not trying to be facetious with this comment, but isn't all philosophy ultimately personal?

You were close when you paraphrased me, but I'd put it differently. More like, "if we don't pull together we won't accomplish anything". As far as the 'big tent' goes, it seems some people don't get this. They think just because someone disagrees with them then that person can't be a true Democrat or progressive. No two people agree on every single issue. My point is that we agree with each other on more of the important issues than we do with the Republicans.


"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." Samuel Johnson
by MS01 Indie on Sat Jul 05, 2008 at 06:56:19 PM EST
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Re: Excellent point! (none / 0)

"They think just because someone disagrees with them then that person can't be a true Democrat or progressive"

Do you include yourself among the they?


He was warmly received by House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, who called him "a leader that God has blessed us with at this time."
by roxfoxy on Sat Jul 05, 2008 at 07:39:24 PM EST
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Re: Excellent point! (none / 0)

Apparently not, when I write things like this in my diaries.

There is nothing wrong with dissent. In fact, I'd go so far as to say dissent is vital to a functioning democracy.


"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." Samuel Johnson
by MS01 Indie on Sat Jul 05, 2008 at 09:51:59 PM EST
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Re: Excellent point! (none / 0)

So all those  'troll' comments you have hurled at dissenters as visible on your wonderful history, were ghost writers?


He was warmly received by House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, who called him "a leader that God has blessed us with at this time."
by roxfoxy on Sat Jul 05, 2008 at 11:52:04 PM EST
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Re: Excellent point! (none / 0)

Care to quote some of those comments? In context.


"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." Samuel Johnson
by MS01 Indie on Sun Jul 06, 2008 at 12:16:35 AM EST
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Re: Excellent point! (none / 0)


How about just one because I dont intend to paste you history here and waste time on a back and forth cut and paste jobs.  Here in your diary you wrote and in others you always call ddissenter Mccain bloggers or 'concern troll'.

"There have been several complaints, mainly by the Obama-bashing crowd, about 'Obamabots' trying to stifle debate on this site. The same people who post diary after diary attempting to sow discord on this site are the ones doing most of the complaining.

They start with a valid point, like many of the posts by the concern trolls."


He was warmly received by House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, who called him "a leader that God has blessed us with at this time."
by roxfoxy on Sun Jul 06, 2008 at 12:52:45 AM EST
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Re: Excellent point! (none / 0)

Followed by the sentence I quoted above. Here is the rest of the paragraph that you quoted.

There is nothing wrong with dissent. In fact, I'd go so far as to say dissent is vital to a functioning democracy. What is happening here, however, is not an attempt to stifle honest dissent. It is more about pushing back against people whose only aim is to hurt the Democratic candidate and, by extension, the party as a whole. It's one thing to complain about a policy stance of the candidate. That's not the same as constantly digging at the candidate over every little thing.

Here are some more quotes from that same diary.

So how do we balance the right to dissent with the need to minimize the damage done by those whose only goal is to hurt the Democratic cause?

I believe the answer is to continue to push back against fraudulent and misleading postings. Pushing back lessens the effectiveness of the negative posts. It offers a counter view for anyone who might happen across the more vitriolic anti posts.

Pushing back does not mean shouting down dissent. Challenge on the issues. If the poster twists facts, or even invents their own, then challenge them to back up their claims. Don't attack someone with a valid complaint who uses real facts and in-context quotes. Don't hide or troll rate a comment just because you don't agree with the poster. Do hide rate and troll rate comments that use inflammatory labels, like Dear Leader, cultists, bots, and other derogatory phrases and words. That includes ones like deadenders and the like used against Hillary supporters.

There is one more tactic that should be used against these anti-Democratic diaries. Be more active about reccing good diaries. Don't let a few anti-Obama and anti-Democrats control the rec list. There are only a few of them compared to the rest of the users on this site. They are vocal and they are quick to come to each others defense and support. This gives them more visibility than they deserve.

Read, rec, comment, argue on the issues and we win. The Republicans can only win by dividing us. They lose on every issue. They are yesterday's party, while we are the future. Don't let them win by playing their old, divisive games.


"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." Samuel Johnson
by MS01 Indie on Sun Jul 06, 2008 at 01:32:48 AM EST
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Re: Excellent point! (none / 0)

And number 1 puma, knowvox, speaks.


"In the primary you should vote with your heart, but in the general, you should vote with your head" Bill Clinton
by venician on Fri Jul 04, 2008 at 08:16:58 PM EST
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Re: Hillary Clinton is somewhere, right now, cryin (2.00 / 5)

So all of you out there who are constantly trashing Obama and trying to bring him down, think about what you are doing to Hillary by these actions

Instead of that, why doesn't Obama come back to the democratic platform instead of taking hard right of center, with his latest statements?

Think about what Obama is doing to this party instead.

I am voting for him (holding my nose now - I wasn't holding my nose last week, but now I am), and the majority of folks here will vote for him as well.

Our little pissed off blogs aren't going to change minds about our vote for Obama.  We should be able to hash out the issues here, without this hand-holding and singing together.

if WE can't do it, then who can?  When can we?  

I was told if I had issues or concerns about Obama, I could voice them.  So far, I've been called a concern troll several times now, and also mocked about what I considered important.

so, I guess it was ok when I just STFU about my concerns.  And now that I have taken up the challenge to talk about the stuff that is bothering me(abortion statements, FISA, Iraq, faith based programs), you have the nerve to type this diary up?

god.  grow up.  I can bitch about Obama all I want if I have valid concerns and I DO.  


by colebiancardi on Fri Jul 04, 2008 at 03:26:08 PM EST

Re: Hillary Clinton is somewhere, right now, cryin (2.00 / 2)

it's attitude like this expressed in this diary (slavish sycophancy without insisting on accountability) that gave us Bush. We had the apologists for Bush and now we have the apologists for Obama. People seem to forget that Obama is a politician interviewing for the top job and it is for us to decide whether to give it to him or not and if we do not like what he is saying and doing we have every right to chastise him in the strongest terms as and when we like.


by tarheel74 on Fri Jul 04, 2008 at 04:53:18 PM EST
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Re: Hillary Clinton is somewhere, right now, cryin (none / 0)

This attitude that any call for unity or pointing out the harm done to the Democratic party by the bitter in-fighting is an attempt to stifle dissent is getting old. You can only read that message into my diary if you twist the words.


"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." Samuel Johnson
by MS01 Indie on Fri Jul 04, 2008 at 04:57:45 PM EST
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drag down the Democratic candidate???? (2.00 / 6)

im starting to get a bit annoyed now.  

does mydd have trolls?  yes

do the said trolls bash both obama and clinton?  yes

do democrats have the right to question, be unhappy with and/or discuss unhappiness with candidates and policies they are disappointed in? a RESOUNDING YES.

do mydd posters have the right to attack other users? no.

i have seen a lot of good people being called trolls here today and this is unacceptable.  its the people in the latter group that are causing more divisions than anyone else.


"Me Fail English? That's Unpossible." Ralph Wiggum
by canadian gal on Fri Jul 04, 2008 at 03:28:17 PM EST

Re: drag down the Democratic candidate???? (2.00 / 2)

we can't complain - we have to WAIT until afterwards.

oi vey.  


by colebiancardi on Fri Jul 04, 2008 at 03:29:41 PM EST
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Re: drag down the Democratic candidate???? (none / 0)

CG, I'm really confused. How can you read this diary and take it as calling out trolls? This diary is about Hillary and how seeing the divisiveness and hatred on display must hurt her. It is not a call to stifle debate about the issues. It's a call to do so in a civil manner.


"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." Samuel Johnson
by MS01 Indie on Fri Jul 04, 2008 at 03:41:57 PM EST
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Re: drag down the Democratic candidate???? (2.00 / 3)

MS01 - many people HAVE been civil until they are called concern trolls and worse.

perhaps you need to look at some of these diaries with a fresh eye.


by colebiancardi on Fri Jul 04, 2008 at 03:48:05 PM EST
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am i misreading you? (2.00 / 2)

it seems your diary purports to criticize those that take issue with BO's positions. yet comment after comment here today is calling those that are unhappy (yet have long, established reputations here) 'trolls' or 'mydd has gone to hell.'  IMO those that do that can be added to the list of known trolls we all know and love.


"Me Fail English? That's Unpossible." Ralph Wiggum
by canadian gal on Fri Jul 04, 2008 at 03:51:56 PM EST
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Re: am i misreading you? (none / 0)

My diary criticizes those who are trying to tear the Democratic party apart. People who are working against Hillary Clinton and everything she has stood for her whole life.

BTW, I've been called a mctroll. More than once.


"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." Samuel Johnson
by MS01 Indie on Fri Jul 04, 2008 at 04:03:03 PM EST
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Re: Hillary Clinton is somewhere, right now, cryin (none / 0)

Boy, did I ever miss the mark with this one. It is not about the trolls. It is about people in the Democratic primary who are working against Hillary Clinton. I'm really disappointed that this diary isn't clear to everyone.


"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." Samuel Johnson
by MS01 Indie on Fri Jul 04, 2008 at 03:36:24 PM EST

Re: Hillary Clinton is somewhere, right now, cryin (2.00 / 3)

Actualy, I 'got it', and I can understand whee you are coming from.

I can also understand where the folks tired of being called 'trolls' for voicing their opinion (even if critical) about recent events and twists and turns in Obama's rhetoric are coming from.

Real trolls, however, need go away.

I agree that Hillary is somewhere crying, but I see it as for a far different reason than you do: I see it as because she was called all sorts of names by folks now willing to accept what really is 'triangulation' from her former opponent. Factions of the party still hold her in contempt, yet they are proud to accept their chosen candidate's stance that now seems to be more centrist than her's was.

Sorry, that's how I see it.

Yet, even though I see it that way, we all need to come together and work to elect the nominee we have, and let go of the nominee we could have had.  That will be much easier for some of us if others of us will stop doing their best to continue to denigrate the record of Bill Clinton and stop the verbal bashing of Hillary.


Hell's bells, even the GOP didn't have to crucify Eisenhower's record in order to make Reagan their 'saint'. We can have two great ones, you know?
by emsprater on Fri Jul 04, 2008 at 04:03:08 PM EST
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Re: Hillary Clinton is somewhere, right now, cryin (none / 0)

You're right real trolls need to go away, however it doesn't help matters when some people rec. diaries by McTrolls. Don't you get it? When you feed them they multiply.


"In the primary you should vote with your heart, but in the general, you should vote with your head" Bill Clinton
by venician on Fri Jul 04, 2008 at 08:15:19 PM EST
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Re: Hillary Clinton is somewhere, right now, cryin (2.00 / 1)

You say "Don't you get it, when you feed them they multiply".

Ok, I agree.   Now where is the evidence that I rec trolllish diaries?  Or even trollish commnetary?


Hell's bells, even the GOP didn't have to crucify Eisenhower's record in order to make Reagan their 'saint'. We can have two great ones, you know?
by emsprater on Fri Jul 04, 2008 at 10:24:39 PM EST
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Re: Hillary Clinton is somewhere, right now, cryin (2.00 / 1)

You pretty much restated my points in your comment, except for saying that Hillary is more upset about what happened to her than about what is happening to the Democratic party. I have more respect for her than that. I believe she cares more about country and party than she does about any slights she may have received.


"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." Samuel Johnson
by MS01 Indie on Fri Jul 04, 2008 at 04:55:39 PM EST


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